i'm all for smart immigration, but small. start small. not like with obama care. they want all the new voters. >> there is no point in having any immigration law until you control the borders first. you should support that. >> look, the obama administration sent more people back across the border than any other administration in history. >> where did you pull that out of? >> 400,000-some. >> you make it up. >> you have to deal with the immigration problem. >> does he make it up? >> there was a study from the beckel institute done a couple of days ago. >> ten seconds ago. that's where he got the information. i never understand why republicans haven't seen the opportunity with unions on immigration reform. if you talked to a lot of union workers they are angry about the bills. they feel the democratic party is in bed with the latino caucus. i always thought it would be a smart move. >> do you know where we have a bunch of voters? >> the president's numbers are down 23% with hispanics. >> they don't hate republicans. yes, they do. >> when we come back, what does larr